Otherwise known as watching a career crash and burn. No, not my own. While it's not what I would consider healthy at the moment, I'm still doing my best to keep people informed as to what's going on and more importantly, I'm continuing to create new work and trying like hell to get it out there and those of you who read this blog are well aware of it, because as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to hide.
Maybe that's to my detriment, I don't know. I just don't know any other way to be. And right now, I'm watching the downside of what can happen when an artist doesn't communicate with his fans. Since his debut, I've been an ardent follower of Peter Cincotti's music. He burst onto the scene in 2003 as a 19 year-old jazz phenom, his debut released on the venerable jazz label, Concord, where he took the Great American Songbook and turned it on its ear. The new Harry Connick, Jr., all the reviewers decreed, praising his piano chops while saying he still needed to work on vocals, but no one denied that this guy, man, he had all sorts of talent.
A year later, his sophomore effort was released, some more of the Great American Songbook, but you could sense his growing impatience with the "next Harry" label and the comparisons to other young jazzsters Michael Bublé and Jamie Cullum. There were some originals on this release, some funkier takes on traditional charts, the boy was growing up and taking some risks. And most importantly, he was building a small but devoted fan base by doing what all great musicians have done throughout the ages. He was touring. He was playing clubs, small theatres, jazz fests, pretty much everywhere. And he made himself accessible, which endeared him further to his fans. Let's face it, we all love the idea of knowing someone from early on in their career-- from being able to follow their evolution and cheer them on.
Here's where we run into trouble. No doubt wanting his next release to really signal a change in his career and elevating it to the next level, Peter switched record labels, signing with Warner Brothers/Reprise 143 (David Foster's label). His next release was going to be one hundred percent new material. It was going to be very fusion-oriented in nature. It was different.
It has yet to be released in this country even though the material was more or less complete by December of 2005 with tentative release dates having it as a fall 2006 release, then finally a firm release date of March 07. I've already ranted about the delay. But as disturbing as delay after delay is, especially considering it was released in Europe nearly a year ago, what really frosts my cookies is the utter lack of concern for the fan base in this country. Yes, they were small-- but they were vocal and they were dedicated, traveling hundreds and in some cases, thousands of miles for a concert. And for a while, it was good-- as I said, Peter was always friendly and accessible.
But not long after he signed with WB/Reprise 143 and switched management as well, some changes began happening. He started playing more charity events-- which in theory, is great, because it exposes him to a new audience while at the same time performing good deeds-- but at the same time, these charity events tend to be exclusive, big ticket affairs that the average fan on the street can't afford. We're talking $250.00 or more a pop. Worse still, the club/small theatre gigs were seemingly being sacrificed. Not only were there fewer scheduled, the ones that were already scheduled, for which tickets had gone on sale and been purchased, were being canceled, no warning, no explanation, nothing to show any sense of remorse to the fans.
Yet... he's toured in Europe. Quite a bit. Understandable since the CD's been out there for a year. Presumably, he'll tour in the U.S. once the CD is released in January 09. Nearly two years after the first officially announced date. (Note: there will be no holding of breath here. I fully expect another delay. Or a new album.)
Now, finally, a concert was scheduled for Palm Desert, CA. Tickets were bought. Plans were made by those willing to take a shot, yet still wary. (I wasn't that willing.)
Concert was canceled. Again.
Now, to be fair, you can hold the label and his management accountable for a lot. I know, probably better than the vast majority, just how much is out of the artist's control. Which means I have a longer rope than many.
HOWEVER
Dude, that doesn't mean you shouldn't say something-- anything to the people who have followed your career since its early days. Who talked you up, who got their parents and friends listening to the music and going to the gigs. Maybe you don't know what you should say, so you say nothing at all and let me tell you, from experience, from one artist to another, what a huge, freakin' mistake that is. I certainly don't imagine that I had even a fraction of the following you did, yet I still felt obligated to the people who read my books and who have supported me throughout my career, some sort of explanation as to why they wouldn't be seeing anything new from me when expected.
Maybe you're not even aware of how unhappy people are-- after all, you've been touring in Europe, you've got people who are more than happy to see you, you're continuing to make a living as a working musician and maybe that's all you want, but somehow, I don't think so. I think your ambitions are larger, given the label you signed with and the producer you wanted to work with.
Who knows, maybe you're also restricted contractually from saying much of anything.
But Peter, seriously-- people aren't even pissed anymore. They're indifferent. Which is worse. They simply can't be arsed to care. And the few that can, I suspect are at the end of their ropes by now. Maybe you feel you don't owe people any sorts of explanations. But it works both ways my friend. They certainly don't owe you their loyalty, their support, and most important to the nickel and dimers who live in the accounting offices, they sure as hell don't owe you their hard-earned money. Not when there are plenty of other artists out there.
You may be a rare talent, but honey, you ain't the only one.
- The dangers of not communicating
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A-frackin-men.
When I heard the new release date for EoAT, I just rolled my eyes and said, "I'll believe it when I see it." And that was that. When I heard he was playing a gig in CA, I mused aloud, "Wonder how long it'll be before that's canceled?"
Damn, I hate it when I'm right.
Yeah, I've been feeling pretty screwed over ever since the Indianapolis debacle and very disappointed that there was never any word beyond the official-upbeat-catchphrase (or as I like to call it, 'Palin-Speak') and certainly nothing sounding like it came from Peter.
It sucks, really...but I find myself moving on to other groups and talents (Fiction Plane, Your Vegas, and Autovaughn for the win!) who, ya know, actually keep to their touring commitments and talk to their fans. It's kinda nice, y'know?
When I heard the new release date for EoAT, I just rolled my eyes and said, "I'll believe it when I see it." And that was that. When I heard he was playing a gig in CA, I mused aloud, "Wonder how long it'll be before that's canceled?"
Damn, I hate it when I'm right.
Yeah, I've been feeling pretty screwed over ever since the Indianapolis debacle and very disappointed that there was never any word beyond the official-upbeat-catchphrase (or as I like to call it, 'Palin-Speak') and certainly nothing sounding like it came from Peter.
It sucks, really...but I find myself moving on to other groups and talents (Fiction Plane, Your Vegas, and Autovaughn for the win!) who, ya know, actually keep to their touring commitments and talk to their fans. It's kinda nice, y'know?
That's the thing-- people are moving on. I looked at the official message board, and I think the last post there was from more than three weeks ago.
There was one girl who did a blog post who got to go to the Denver event and she was so excited, poor thing, yet at the same time, you could see her making the excuses for why he didn't come out to greet people (he's so tired) or why the set might have been shorter than usual. Again, downside of the the charity gigs-- it's a see and be seen opportunity as opposed to a concert people actually want to go to. She said people were filing out after the first encore.
Which blows. But hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles, dear.
There was one girl who did a blog post who got to go to the Denver event and she was so excited, poor thing, yet at the same time, you could see her making the excuses for why he didn't come out to greet people (he's so tired) or why the set might have been shorter than usual. Again, downside of the the charity gigs-- it's a see and be seen opportunity as opposed to a concert people actually want to go to. She said people were filing out after the first encore.
Which blows. But hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles, dear.
I'm going to completely agree here with what you said. I'm getting more and more tired of all the set-backs and total disregard of the American fans. These are the fans that made him who he is, long before Europe even heard of him. And you know what? The fact that we are ignored...and our little bits of Peter are taken away from us almost as quickly as it's given...has left me more than unhappy with the situation.
When he first signed with WB, I was so excited. This would be a big move for him. A step up in his career. WOW! Was I ever wrong...at least from a fan's standpoint!
One of the things I admired most about Peter was his willingness to rub elbows with his fans. Come out...chat them up...sign something put in front of him...and now, no one can afford his concerts or they get cancelled after people already spend money. And let me tell you...I am still PISSED that I never got the service fee back from Ticketmaster last year after the Indianapolis show fell through! That was 5 tickets worth of convenience charges that I, as a broke college student, will never see again because Ticketmaster wouldn't refund that even though the concert was cancelled.
What I have found is a new group of artists who are far more considerate to their fans. Fiction Plane. Your Vegas. Autovaughn. Not only do these bands come out after their shows to see and meet their fans, but THEY update their MySpace pages. They even comment back to your comments or send people private messages over MySpace/Facebook...wherever they network. They keep people posted on what they're doing on tour, in the studio, etc. through blogs and THEN...hold contests for further interaction with their fans. They have fan clubs and forums that are dedicated to them and THEY know this and go out of their way to supply said fan clubs with give aways each month.
Hell...Your Vegas is coming to the university because I booked them. And they're so easy to work with. The guys (all from Leeds, England but based out of NY) are so gracious to their fans.
I hate to see what is happening to Peter's career. He had a growing fanbase and lots of buzz going into this. But now...fans could care less. Fans are tired of being disappointed and dicked with, to be completely honest! I don't even listen to the albums anymore...
Talk about sad.
But...you said it...there are other talents out there...who are willing to communicate and who are willing to go the extra mile...like he used to.
And that's where his fans will go.
When he first signed with WB, I was so excited. This would be a big move for him. A step up in his career. WOW! Was I ever wrong...at least from a fan's standpoint!
One of the things I admired most about Peter was his willingness to rub elbows with his fans. Come out...chat them up...sign something put in front of him...and now, no one can afford his concerts or they get cancelled after people already spend money. And let me tell you...I am still PISSED that I never got the service fee back from Ticketmaster last year after the Indianapolis show fell through! That was 5 tickets worth of convenience charges that I, as a broke college student, will never see again because Ticketmaster wouldn't refund that even though the concert was cancelled.
What I have found is a new group of artists who are far more considerate to their fans. Fiction Plane. Your Vegas. Autovaughn. Not only do these bands come out after their shows to see and meet their fans, but THEY update their MySpace pages. They even comment back to your comments or send people private messages over MySpace/Facebook...wherever they network. They keep people posted on what they're doing on tour, in the studio, etc. through blogs and THEN...hold contests for further interaction with their fans. They have fan clubs and forums that are dedicated to them and THEY know this and go out of their way to supply said fan clubs with give aways each month.
Hell...Your Vegas is coming to the university because I booked them. And they're so easy to work with. The guys (all from Leeds, England but based out of NY) are so gracious to their fans.
I hate to see what is happening to Peter's career. He had a growing fanbase and lots of buzz going into this. But now...fans could care less. Fans are tired of being disappointed and dicked with, to be completely honest! I don't even listen to the albums anymore...
Talk about sad.
But...you said it...there are other talents out there...who are willing to communicate and who are willing to go the extra mile...like he used to.
And that's where his fans will go.
I hate to see what is happening to Peter's career. He had a growing fanbase and lots of buzz going into this. But now...fans could care less. Fans are tired of being disappointed and dicked with, to be completely honest! I don't even listen to the albums anymore...
Yeah, I know. I told you how I was in Carrabba's a few weeks back and they were playing "Sway" and I nearly fell off my chair because OMG, it had been so long since I'd heard it. And I've only listened to EoAT a couple of times. I'm hoping I'll be able to listen to it eventually without the bad taste in my mouth because seriously, it's a good CD with good music.
Yeah, I know. I told you how I was in Carrabba's a few weeks back and they were playing "Sway" and I nearly fell off my chair because OMG, it had been so long since I'd heard it. And I've only listened to EoAT a couple of times. I'm hoping I'll be able to listen to it eventually without the bad taste in my mouth because seriously, it's a good CD with good music.
You're absolutely right. The album is good. It's one of his best. I love that it's his original work. I hate that he softened up some songs...but, eh...whatever. I can get over that.
With each disappointment I find it harder and harder to get back to his music. And I honestly wish someone with some say would realize this.
With each disappointment I find it harder and harder to get back to his music. And I honestly wish someone with some say would realize this.
His next release was going to be one hundred percent new material. It was going to be very fusion-oriented in nature. It was different.
Even though it hasn't been released in the US, have you heard it (through perhaps less-conventional means)? And what's been the critical response to it: yea or nay?
I ask because, as a huge Harry Connick Jr. fan, I remember what happened when he released Star Turtle, which was a weird funk/jazz/fusion thing: it tanked. People wanted standards, wanted smooth jazz vocals and were willing to accept some contemporary stylings on classic songs, but No. New. Shit.
I'm not saying that artists shouldn't vary from what made them famous; being pigeonholed is never conducive to artistic growth, and that sucks. However, there's also a reason that, say, Lyle Lovett hasn't done a hip-hop album.
Even though it hasn't been released in the US, have you heard it (through perhaps less-conventional means)? And what's been the critical response to it: yea or nay?
I ask because, as a huge Harry Connick Jr. fan, I remember what happened when he released Star Turtle, which was a weird funk/jazz/fusion thing: it tanked. People wanted standards, wanted smooth jazz vocals and were willing to accept some contemporary stylings on classic songs, but No. New. Shit.
I'm not saying that artists shouldn't vary from what made them famous; being pigeonholed is never conducive to artistic growth, and that sucks. However, there's also a reason that, say, Lyle Lovett hasn't done a hip-hop album.
Heh. I actually heard the majority of the material at a small club gig in New York in December of 05. Plus, with respect to the finished product, I did get a copy of the international release. (Sent to fulfill my domestic order, which was WEIRD.)
Anyhow-- most of the people who'd followed his career here in the states, had heard a LOT, if not all of the new material and the majority were excited by it. And overall, response to the CD by those who have either received int'l editions or heard the tracks by *ahemed* means, is largely positive. And while it's not Great American Songbook, it's not so appreciably different that you can't enjoy it as a Peter Cincotti musical offering. (He's moving in a bit of the early Billy Joel-era direction.)
I remember the whole Star Turtle debacle, but difference is, Peter hadn't yet achieved the kind of prominence that Harry had by that point in his career. Harry just exploded SO hard with the When Harry Met Sally soundtrack. For awhile, he was everywhere. Peter never quite got to that place, which put him in a great place for this kind of experimentation, actually-- had enough support, but still was beneath the radar enough that he could push the musical boundaries. If he'd been larger, I would've worried that he'd tried to push too much in one huge gulp--
Whereas a guy like Josh Groban, who might've been tempted to really push it, has been remarkably restrained-- the first CD, he performed all songs written by others or hand-picked by his producer. With the second one, he ventured a little further out, penning a couple of songs, working with a new producer or two. By the third CD, it was a more equitable mix-- he had written probably about half the songs, worked with several different producers, really mixed up the song selection so that there were a few that were what the hardcore fans expected, but more that revealed his personality, his preferences, where he was growing as a musician. And- and maybe this is the most important thing-- he always acknowledged that he might lose some fans by trying new material, but that he might also gain new ones. That he hoped that wasn't the case, but he was prepared for it to happen. Why I respect this is because he wasn't ignoring the fans-- he was acknowledging their presence and importance to his career, but that he hoped they'd understand what he needed to do in order to continue to grow as an artist.
Thing about guys like Harry and Josh and Lyle is that they're constantly experimenting and pushing their own boundaries and letting the artistic winds take them where they may, but at the same time, they're committed to their careers and the people that brought them there.
The biggest issue, I think with Cincotti, is the lack of accessibility or accountability, in any form-- the canceled concerts, the delay in the CD release, with no explanation at all. That's I think what's really turning people off.
Anyhow-- most of the people who'd followed his career here in the states, had heard a LOT, if not all of the new material and the majority were excited by it. And overall, response to the CD by those who have either received int'l editions or heard the tracks by *ahemed* means, is largely positive. And while it's not Great American Songbook, it's not so appreciably different that you can't enjoy it as a Peter Cincotti musical offering. (He's moving in a bit of the early Billy Joel-era direction.)
I remember the whole Star Turtle debacle, but difference is, Peter hadn't yet achieved the kind of prominence that Harry had by that point in his career. Harry just exploded SO hard with the When Harry Met Sally soundtrack. For awhile, he was everywhere. Peter never quite got to that place, which put him in a great place for this kind of experimentation, actually-- had enough support, but still was beneath the radar enough that he could push the musical boundaries. If he'd been larger, I would've worried that he'd tried to push too much in one huge gulp--
Whereas a guy like Josh Groban, who might've been tempted to really push it, has been remarkably restrained-- the first CD, he performed all songs written by others or hand-picked by his producer. With the second one, he ventured a little further out, penning a couple of songs, working with a new producer or two. By the third CD, it was a more equitable mix-- he had written probably about half the songs, worked with several different producers, really mixed up the song selection so that there were a few that were what the hardcore fans expected, but more that revealed his personality, his preferences, where he was growing as a musician. And- and maybe this is the most important thing-- he always acknowledged that he might lose some fans by trying new material, but that he might also gain new ones. That he hoped that wasn't the case, but he was prepared for it to happen. Why I respect this is because he wasn't ignoring the fans-- he was acknowledging their presence and importance to his career, but that he hoped they'd understand what he needed to do in order to continue to grow as an artist.
Thing about guys like Harry and Josh and Lyle is that they're constantly experimenting and pushing their own boundaries and letting the artistic winds take them where they may, but at the same time, they're committed to their careers and the people that brought them there.
The biggest issue, I think with Cincotti, is the lack of accessibility or accountability, in any form-- the canceled concerts, the delay in the CD release, with no explanation at all. That's I think what's really turning people off.
Well, that sucks donkey balls. I wonder if his label/management are deliberately holding back the album and concerts in anticipation of a relaunch? By which I mean they want him out of the limelight long enough that when they release the new album, he'll effectively be a new artist, not an emerging artist who's going in a different direction. Much easier for them to market him that way.
If that's the case, it's a stupid idea, but we are talking about a big music label that's owned by a media conglomerate that treats every product and artist like interchangeable widgets.
If that's the case, it's a stupid idea, but we are talking about a big music label that's owned by a media conglomerate that treats every product and artist like interchangeable widgets.
Yeah, but if that was the case, why allow any concerts to be scheduled at all I mean, I think it was announced in late August as a late October concert. It was canceled a couple of days ago. No reason, no explanation. In fact, it was the theater handling the announcement that he'd canceled and there's still nothing about it on his website-- but then again, the last time his website was properly updated, I think they were using stone tablets for the code.
But my point is, if they want to relaunch him in this country as a completely new artist, fine, but keep him completely under wraps until then, rather than this cat and mouse scenario that's done nothing more than alienate what core base he had.
But my point is, if they want to relaunch him in this country as a completely new artist, fine, but keep him completely under wraps until then, rather than this cat and mouse scenario that's done nothing more than alienate what core base he had.

2008-09-30 02:01 pm (UTC)